Correct Pronunciation of PyeongChang

"davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com" (davesaddiction) 02/21/2018 at 14:00 • Filed to: None

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See also: Shanghai

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davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 02/21/2018 at 14:03

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If kinja’d: https://qz.com/1211398/olympics-2018-nbc-is-pronouncing-pyeongchang-wrong/

Echo51 > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 02/21/2018 at 14:07

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Has NBC managed to do anythign right at all this Olympic?

MonkeePuzzle > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 02/21/2018 at 14:08

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I jsut assumed the first part is meant to sound a dopplar shifting race car

PeeeeeeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEYOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooong

#amprobablyracistnow

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Echo51 02/21/2018 at 14:11

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Well, they didn’t cut to commercial in the middle of the gold-medal tying bobsled run by the Canadians. So that’s something.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > MonkeePuzzle 02/21/2018 at 14:15

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I mean, that’s as good of an onomatopoeia for it as any.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > MonkeePuzzle 02/21/2018 at 14:17

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A pyeong (abbreviation py) is a Korean unit of area and floorspace, equal to a square kan or 36 square Korean feet. The ping and tsubo are its equivalent Chinese and Japanese units, similarly based on a square bu (ja:) or ken, equivalent to 36 square Chinese or Japanese feet.

MonkeePuzzle > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 02/21/2018 at 14:18

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how the world got anything done in the days that we started to become global is a true wonder!

Wrong Wheel Drive (41%) > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 02/21/2018 at 14:20

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I ragequit from watching the other day because NBC decided to go to commercial instead of show one of the skiiers run down the hill in the middle of an event.

Textured Soy Protein > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 02/21/2018 at 14:30

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I also don’t know how to pronounce Japchae, which are Korean sweet potato starch noodles that are translucent when cooked. But I have some I’m planning to cook with my not-so-secret crispy ginger garlic tofu, plus some mushrooms, cabbage and snow peas.

Japchae:

This is a bowl of noodles and my not-so-secret crispy ginger garlic tofu, that I made with rice vermicelli and different veggies...

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davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Textured Soy Protein 02/21/2018 at 14:37

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Yum... looks fantastic.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Wrong Wheel Drive (41%) 02/21/2018 at 14:38

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Ugh.

syaieya > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 02/21/2018 at 14:43

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Someone had to spend a large part of an advertising budget to get Hyundai right. Do you really think NBC is that committed to something they can put to the side in a matter of days?

Ash78, voting early and often > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 02/21/2018 at 14:44

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There is always a degree to which a foreign name can be adopted into another language without retaining the original pronunciation. Even if I say my own name in a foreign language, I defer slightly to the pronunciation of that language. Otherwise it sounds weird. Like a bad kung fu movie overdub.

On the other hand, NBC downright decided to say “Torino” instead of the accepted Anglo name “Turin” because it allegedly sounded cooler.

So it’s all relative. I’m giving them a pass here.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Ash78, voting early and often 02/21/2018 at 14:58

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I get it, but in this case, is it really that hard to get it right?

It’s not like it’s a sound we don’t use - just more like “chong” and not “chang”.

Seems like that “bang” vowel would hit native Korean speakers’ ears here in the U.S. especially hard, like a note badly off-key.

FWIW, my last name, pronounced correctly in German, has the same vowel sound as PyeongChang, but now Americanized, it also rhymes with “bang”...

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > syaieya 02/21/2018 at 15:01

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Clearly not, but these people are ostensibly reporters and you’d think they’d want to get it right.

A real challenge: Daewoo

Ash78, voting early and often > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 02/21/2018 at 15:16

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Nope, seems like they just picked the wrong one of the two options.

OTOH, most Asian-Americans with the world’s most common surname (usually Romanized as “Chang”) usually say it with a long A. So maybe it was a conscious choice for easy recognition by the audience.

I mean, they already arbitrarily threw a capital letter in there, so there’s butchering all around :D

http://m.koreatimes.co.kr/phone/news/view.jsp?req_newsidx=244161

ttyymmnn > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 02/21/2018 at 15:17

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davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > ttyymmnn 02/21/2018 at 15:19

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How did that actually make it to air?

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Ash78, voting early and often 02/21/2018 at 15:45

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Maybe all the U.S. Changs got together and asked NBC to just say it like “bang” because they didn’t want to have the conversation over and over again with all of their friends and coworkers that they’ve been letting them say their name wrong all these years...

ttyymmnn > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 02/21/2018 at 16:02

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Either ignorance, willful ignorance, or really, really bad judgement.

nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul > syaieya 02/21/2018 at 16:08

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I still don’t know the correct pronunciation of Hyundai. Hun-die, hi-yun-die, hun-day, hi-yun-die... Or my favorite: Hoondai

Coincidentally trying to find a Hoondai picture, I stumble across my own Oppo post.

ttyymmnn > Ash78, voting early and often 02/21/2018 at 16:26

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I get all this, but I also feel really silly telling my friends that I visited Paree a few years ago before driving to Moonschen . I suppose there’s a difference between full-on Anglicizations (like Paris and Munich) and just bad pronunciation. I still remember the big deal that was made when Peking became Beijing. And, does anybody still say Bombay?

Ash78, voting early and often > ttyymmnn 02/21/2018 at 16:49

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I think most Americans would still say Bombay, honestly. Being a geography nerd, I try to stay abreast of all that. But I still call my son’s plaid short Madras, not Chennai. :D

You know who overdoes the pronunciations? NPR reporters. There’s a fine line between cultural sensitivity and pretentiousness.

It’s like how I can pronounce everything on a Mexican restaurant menu fluently, but I’m not going to do it 100%. If I’m in Mexico, I will, though. It’s context and appropriateness.

England is a tough one. I mostly skew to American pronunciations except on the occasional place name. For example, I wouldn’t say Birmingham exactly the same way in both places, it would sound weird.

Even stuff like Lafayette (LA or IN) vs Lafayette (TN, AL). Two different pronunciations entirely.

Svend > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 02/21/2018 at 16:53

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Clearly not, but these people are ostensibly reporters and you’d think they’d want to get it right.

It’s NBC.

It’s like calling Fox News, news.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Svend 02/21/2018 at 16:57

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Point taken. I said ostensibly!

Svend > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 02/21/2018 at 17:00

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It’s not even a remotely hard name to pronounce.

Just sheer lazy ignorance.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Svend 02/21/2018 at 17:02

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Even worse - considered and decided-upon lazy ignorance!

ttyymmnn > Ash78, voting early and often 02/21/2018 at 17:10

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Good stuff. I’m a geography nerd too, have been all my life. In high school, I wanted to be a cartographer.

You’re pronunciations of Lafayette reminds me of the PA city of Lancaster. They say LANK-ister, so I would say it the same way. Here in Texas, we have all sorts of bastardized pronunciations. The main drag through the UT campus is GUA-da-loop street, east of town we have the city of MAN-chack (Manchaca), and one of the streets in downtown Houston is San FILL-ipee (San Felipe). I had a good friend in college who was from Ma-GACK-eys-ville (McGaheysville, figure that one out).

ttyymmnn > Ash78, voting early and often 02/21/2018 at 17:10

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Good stuff. I’m a geography nerd too, have been all my life. In high school, I wanted to be a cartographer.

You’re pronunciations of Lafayette reminds me of the PA city of Lancaster. They say LANK-ister, so I would say it the same way. Here in Texas, we have all sorts of bastardized pronunciations. The main drag through the UT campus is GUA-da-loop street, east of town we have the city of MAN-chack (Manchaca), and one of the streets in downtown Houston is San FILL-ipee (San Felipe). I had a good friend in college who was from Ma-GACK-eys-ville (McGaheysville, figure that one out).

rillweid - Now with more TRD and less TDI > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 02/21/2018 at 17:27

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Interns